Bean Chaointe
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Post by Bean Chaointe on Apr 13, 2016 17:15:04 GMT -6
More resource links.In addition to the main outline (which also has links to these additional pages), we now have:
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Boggan
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Religion: Gaelic Polytheist
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Post by Boggan on Apr 13, 2016 19:24:09 GMT -6
I'd be willing to contribute in whatever manner was needed. This is something that is so needed and essential.
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Boggan
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Post by Boggan on Apr 14, 2016 4:43:18 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on Morgan Daimler's books on Brighid and the Morrigan as well as her guide to Irish Polytheism? I found them to be decent beginner's resources but wanted some input before adding them to the Resources list.
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Post by Allec on Apr 14, 2016 16:07:46 GMT -6
I liked Morgan Daimler's book on the Morrígan, and haven't yet read the other two. I've heard good and bad things about the Irish Polytheism book, but haven't personally read it.
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Boggan
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Post by Boggan on Apr 14, 2016 16:15:04 GMT -6
I have and found it to contain some decent insights into Irish Polytheism. At the very least, it is a source of one practitioner's journey into Gaelic Polytheism.
I've added a few choice books to the list. The Well of Five Streams by Laurie is a fantastic resource if you all haven't read it.
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Post by Allec on Apr 16, 2016 18:26:27 GMT -6
I'm editing the website, and I'm beginning to realize that an FAQ is...kinda the whole Guide in-and-of itself? So I'm not sure if having a FAQ is necessary. Thoughts?
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Post by Allec on Apr 16, 2016 19:31:31 GMT -6
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edderkopper
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Post by edderkopper on Apr 16, 2016 20:19:16 GMT -6
I'm editing the website, and I'm beginning to realize that an FAQ is...kinda the whole Guide in-and-of itself? So I'm not sure if having a FAQ is necessary. Thoughts? As someone who also does the newbie guide thing: Yes. You will make your job easier in the long run if you make an FAQ with an even more stripped-down summary of basic questions to compliment the more in-depth stuff. Part of it is for accessibility. (Some people can't process more than quick bullet points when they start learning.) And part of it is because people are lazy and won't bother digging through the more in-depth articles to get to the info they want. I have seen this play out on my own guide/blog so many times: people will keep flooding me with questions about X topic until I made a brief bullet list, no matter how many well-sourced, in-depth posts that I made and prominently linked in the meantime. And after I write such a list, I barely hear about it again. I know it's more work in the short term, but IMO it's better to give a brief but accurate picture to those turned off by research than funnel them toward the many neowiccan lists that DOES offer nice short digestible content that's full of misinformation.
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Post by Allec on Apr 18, 2016 7:34:49 GMT -6
Those are really good points Edder that I didn't consider. Thanks! I'll go ahead and work on the FAQ this week.
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Post by starlight on Aug 19, 2016 6:10:07 GMT -6
I've added a few bits and pieces - mainly in the music/storytelling resources section. Darker green highlights are my additions Just a quick question, related to what I read in the online google doc - I've read online that Erynn Rowan Laurie isn't strictly CR or Gaelic Polytheist - that she has appropriated and includes NDN practices. Does anyone know anything about this? One of the big events in my life that led me to Irish polytheism in the first place was the realisation that a lot of the stuff I had learned and was doing had been appropriated from other cultures and traditions without the permission of the elders of those traditions. I have a load of books that I am now in the process of getting rid of, simply because of they include this new age appropriation. I don't want to start buying and studying resources unless I am as sure as I can be of the ethics of the authors and of the integrity of the material they share...
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Post by Allec on Aug 21, 2016 12:32:50 GMT -6
Thanks for your additions Starlight! As for Erynn Rowan Laurie, she isn't strictly Celtic Reconstructionist but she still has a lot to offer to the community. I'm not CR anymore because of a long lists of reasons, mainly because someone prioritizing personal practice over scholarship doesn't mean their scholarship is wrong -- or that their personal practice isn't meaningful. In regards to appropriating ... that'd be news to me. But I don't know for sure because I haven't read any of her books personally. You can nose around her website here though: www.seanet.com/~inisglas/index.html It seems she cites most of her essay stuff, which is helpful in regards to knowing where she is drawing information from. Things uncited seem to be her personal opinion, which means there wouldn't be citations for it. I want to also sadly add that no resource is 100% safe from problematic material, for various reasons. It's kinda up to you to decide where to draw that line. Asking questions like you are is an excellent way of being informed, though, so you can make that decision beforehand instead of buying something that is complete garbage...or something that crosses an ethical boundary. Even academic books will have biases and filters that make them troublesome.
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Post by starlight on Aug 21, 2016 18:09:05 GMT -6
I want to also sadly add that no resource is 100% safe from problematic material, for various reasons. It's kinda up to you to decide where to draw that line. Asking questions like you are is an excellent way of being informed, though, so you can make that decision beforehand instead of buying something that is complete garbage...or something that crosses an ethical boundary. Even academic books will have biases and filters that make them troublesome. Thanks, Allec. I was just about to go and amend my comments because I realised I was looking at things from a narrow focus. Even if someone doesn't fit into the category I'm researching myself doesn't mean they don't have anything to offer to others on a different path. It's almost impossible to remove filters and agenda from research, isn't it? I suppose one of the more useful things I can do is look at material from a variety of writers, know a bit about their backgrounds, and then try and separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Tides
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Post by Tides on Aug 21, 2016 18:19:15 GMT -6
Just a quick question, related to what I read in the online google doc - I've read online that Erynn Rowan Laurie isn't strictly CR or Gaelic Polytheist - that she has appropriated and includes NDN practices. Does anyone know anything about this? I've read some of her books and years ago, talked directly with her about practices, and to my knowledge, she doesn't/didn't appropriate NDN practices. Do you have a particular reference or notation that she's appropriating? Again, I'm coming back to this community, but when I was previously active online, it wasn't uncommon for people to say that someone wasn't a "real" CR because... pick a reason out of a hat. It was more of a derailing argument, imo, than a useful one, as though someone who is a polytheist with a grounding in lore and understanding of UPG can't be as understanding/useful/true as someone who is a polytheist who is also a polyglot. I'm not saying people can't be problematic (everyone probably is to one degree or another) but that this, historically, is a common strawman.
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Post by starlight on Aug 21, 2016 18:41:09 GMT -6
Just a quick question, related to what I read in the online google doc - I've read online that Erynn Rowan Laurie isn't strictly CR or Gaelic Polytheist - that she has appropriated and includes NDN practices. Does anyone know anything about this? I've read some of her books and years ago, talked directly with her about practices, and to my knowledge, she doesn't/didn't appropriate NDN practices. Do you have a particular reference or notation that she's appropriating? Again, I'm coming back to this community, but when I was previously active online, it wasn't uncommon for people to say that someone wasn't a "real" CR because... pick a reason out of a hat. It was more of a derailing argument, imo, than a useful one, as though someone who is a polytheist with a grounding in lore and understanding of UPG can't be as understanding/useful/true as someone who is a polytheist who is also a polyglot. I'm not saying people can't be problematic (everyone probably is to one degree or another) but that this, historically, is a common strawman. I have phrased and rephrased my response so many times, I'm tying myself in knots! I'm beginning to realise that there are many arguments about what's CR and what isn't, and a lot of bad feeling on both sides of the equation. (Yipes. *steps carefully away from the CR arguments*) I will do my best to tread more carefully in future... Trying to navigate through as a newbie is sometimes like swimming in dark waters where there are rocks and rip tides just waiting to overwhelm you.... Lots of beautiful waves and other helpful swimmers, too, of course.
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