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Post by brimstonne on Jul 23, 2015 17:25:44 GMT -6
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Redfaery
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Post by Redfaery on Jul 24, 2015 12:34:13 GMT -6
I remember Ray Buckland trying to claim that the pointy hats on witches were meant to mock once-fashionable headgear worn by the aristocracy, which would have lingered on in fashion in rural areas, he claimed. The only problem is, those pointed hats (hennins) were only fashionable for a very, VERY brief period in the mid-15th century in France (I believe).
So yep, I'd put it right there with the Easter = Ishtar meme in erasing Jewish culture.
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Post by brimstonne on Jul 25, 2015 14:15:44 GMT -6
I think the Pagan community as a whole has to learn how to educate ourselves on respecting cultural boundaries, and not participating (knowingly or not) in the oppression of other cultures, or appropriating those cultures. Which is why I posted this because I'd never heard of it before, and Im sure Im not the only one who hadnt.
On that note though, how do people get Ishtar out of Easter? I just...sometimes you hear the weirdest things.
(Just going to say though I personally dont find Ray Buckland to be a very accurate resource about much. )
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Redfaery
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Post by Redfaery on Jul 25, 2015 14:36:18 GMT -6
(Just going to say though I personally dont find Ray Buckland to be a very accurate resource about much. ) He's not. But his "Big Blue" is still likely to be one of the few books widely available to most seekers, and it contains that little nugget I quoted up there. I totally agree with you about everything you've said. In my experience I've often seen appropriation justified with faulty reasoning or just incorrect facts - like the incorrect dating of medieval headgear!
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Post by cass on Jul 27, 2015 1:23:00 GMT -6
another thing that is important for polytheists to remember: i've heard quite a few jewish people talk about how incredibly uncomfortable they get when people talk about abrahamic or monotheistic religions, when they really mean just christianity. it tends to happen with complete ignorance of what judaism actually is, and thus lead to casual anti-semitism. not that there aren't occasionally times when those broader terms are accurate, just that they tend to get way over used in western religious discourse, so we should be really mindful of when we use them.
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Post by saintfelicity on Aug 3, 2015 12:51:52 GMT -6
another thing that is important for polytheists to remember: i've heard quite a few jewish people talk about how incredibly uncomfortable they get when people talk about abrahamic or monotheistic religions, when they really mean just christianity. it tends to happen with complete ignorance of what judaism actually is, and thus lead to casual anti-semitism. not that there aren't occasionally times when those broader terms are accurate, just that they tend to get way over used in western religious discourse, so we should be really mindful of when we use them. YES. I think it's only in the past year or so that I've been able to learn more about what Judaism actually is and is all about, and it's seriously so much more different from Christianity than people realize. Learning about what Judaism actually is honestly should be required learning for everyone, because I think it'd make a profound difference if everyone had that awareness.
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Post by Quantumtum on Feb 20, 2016 14:47:38 GMT -6
There's a saying about us - 'two Jews, three opinions'. For this it's the same. There are those who feel that witch hats are antisemitic, and others who don't care. I'm of the former category, personally, but it's ultimately up to the individual person.
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Post by Allec on Feb 21, 2016 0:12:55 GMT -6
There was a post going around talking about how the witch hat specifically probably referred to the time period's fashion for older women rather than referring to a hat Jewish people were forced to wear. Here's the post. I still think it'll probably differ who you ask if the witch hat is offensive or not, like Quantumtum pointed out, since it is heavily linked with antisemitic imagery but I err on the side of caution and do not wear/use the witch hat.
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