harpinghawke
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Post by harpinghawke on Jan 27, 2015 14:16:52 GMT -6
Does anybody here go to public/open rituals? I personally do not, but I've heard that others' experiences are usually determined by how close they fall to Wicca under the pagan umbrella. Is this true for you?
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Post by wyrdwanderings on Jan 27, 2015 14:35:40 GMT -6
I suppose for starters what sort of ritual/ceremony/gathering would be taking place would largely determine if I were to attend. Also, the context of the group(s) involved would play a major factor in it as well. While I feel, as a Heathen, that I have about as much in common with Wiccans or Neopagans as I would with Anglicans or Catholics, I am a firm believer in maintaining a positive sense of interfaith networking and communication. The majority of my experience in attending Heathen events have been in private/semi-private context, although I have attended some public/semi-public events in the past that have ranged from overwhelmingly positive experiences to dreadfully awkward. These weren't simply Heathen events, of course, as I have attended Wiccan events, Gaelic polytheist events, Slavic polytheist events, interfaith gatherings, and so on. But that being said, coming from my personal context as a Heathen, as a Norse polytheist under the category of Forn Siðr, one of the things factoring into my personal willingness to attend an event is who would be in attendance. If you are unfamiliar with how these work, typically a drinking horn is filled with mead, cider, wine, or other drink, and is passed around to those assembled to make their various toasts. This may vary depending on if the event is a Blót, Sumbl, Bragarfull, etc. But the significance of sharing that horn with the persons assembled is that you would become more interconnected with them, and thereby causing their actions to be linked with yours for good or ill. So you could understand why I would feel deeply uncomfortable with a skinhead standing next to me at a Heathen Blót. This is slightly different for events outside of my own faith, as I approach it more out of a feeling of diplomacy and expanding my own understanding of other traditions; these I am more comfortable attending if I am not familiar with the group hosting them, but I would still wish to attend with at least several friends alongside me just in case.
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Post by Allec on Jan 28, 2015 3:11:17 GMT -6
I tend to avoid public rituals that are called "Pagan" because that has always just mean "NeoWiccan." As a Gaelic Polytheist, it hurts more than I can describe to go to a Lughnasa Ritual where there is no bread, no mention Lugh, and--worse yet--no mention of Tailtiu's sacrifice the festival is in honor of. It's completely NeoWiccan with God and Goddess mentions and talking about the themes of harvest.
Otherwise, I fall into how Ásbjørn approaches ceremonies of a different religious nature: with the mind of interfaith and respect. I went to a Jewish service a while back and I tried my best to "fit in" while going about the service. I was invited, as someone who isn't Jewish, so that helps.
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elvenwitch
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Post by elvenwitch on Jan 29, 2015 12:42:47 GMT -6
I lead meetings of local pagans in my area, and we've celebrated several holidays together. We have a few Wiccans, and then a mess of other faiths and traditions. We've celebrated Samhain and Yule together, but since we've got so many other traditions, we aren't doing them one set way. Our Samhain festival, I lead a ritual to the Roman god Pluto to honor our dead, and a few others brought things representing their own heritages. Our Yule altar had representations of Brigid, the Morrigan, Pan, Odin, Tyr, Pluto, Persephone, Bast, and Isis.
That all being said, I think it's hard to find groups like ours. Even within our group, we do have an older Wiccan man who's kinda set in his ways and has a hard time adjusting to all of our non-Wiccan beliefs. The only rituals in my area besides my group's are all Wiccan.
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Post by Allec on Jan 29, 2015 14:25:12 GMT -6
I'd LOVE to talk to you about hosting an interfaith polytheist rituals like that. I know it's something I've been toying with. If anyone's interested, I have saved a draft of what an interfaith ritual might look like?
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harpinghawke
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Post by harpinghawke on Jan 29, 2015 15:05:17 GMT -6
If anyone's interested, I have saved a draft of what an interfaith ritual might look like? I for one would love to see that! It'll probably be much better than the "interfaith" service I went to today, where I learned that everyone is Catholic inside.
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Jace
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Post by Jace on Jan 29, 2015 16:29:07 GMT -6
I've actually been to a few, and I'm hoping I can go to one this weekend for Imbolc, Candlemas, and there's a third she mentioned though I don't remember what it is. I am good friends with an interfaith spiritualist pastor, and during my first year of college she actually was very helpful with maintaining courses, a social life, and my faith in a good balance, and she did really help me create a sort of overlap among the three. So I have attended her church a few times, and a few of the celebrations that they have held in the past, and it's actually been very interesting.
She, herself, has a very Christian slant to her religious practice and her husband was born and raised Jewish, and that takes precedence in his. So they often work together during sermons to incorporate all kinds of faiths, because they don't want anyone to feel left out. They try to get people of all kinds of faith to show up at and participate in these celebrations, and while doing this they ask members of their church or religious officials from elsewhere to join them in the celebration to cover as many bases as possible. This time, she has a Catholic priest who will be presenting Candlemas with herself, an Irish pagan is joining them for the evening to cover Imbolc and to keep the practice as authentic as possible, and the other I know of is a healing energy musician who is good friends with her. There will likely be a couple others to help run things, and it will last a few hours, and I'm actually supposed to help in the kitchen to prepare food with her daughter if I can make it there on time since we're some of the only ones who can cook large amounts of food without becoming overwhelmed.
If I am able to go (since my living situation has changed and made things kinda wonky), I will be more than happy to do a write up on the celebration and the rituals that occur, just as a general thing because that might be interesting at the very least.
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Post by Banned User on Jan 29, 2015 19:42:16 GMT -6
I don't enjoy rituals that attempt to mesh more than one religious tradition together or are 'interfaith'. Cause...I don't think that's what ritual is for, and I'd really rather not participate in any that are like that. It's why I don't usually attend Pagan Pride Days. Unless you're getting a specific group to put on their own thing, you usually get a messy, unfeeling ritual. A lot of those rituals have focused on blending the communal feeling with a larger vague spiritual element, and I haven't seen it work. A strictly communal ritual, in which it is clear that the purpose is to create deeper bonds beyond people, would be something I could find interest in. One of the largest problems I've had with public rituals: - People don't know the purpose of the public ritual. Is it to educate? Is it to get new members interested and involved? Is it to show off to other groups? There may be a focus like a specific holiday or spiritual event or focus, but that seems to be as far as the consideration goes. If people figured out what they want the public ritual to be - essentially, why it needs to be public - the rituals would likely be stronger.
- Lacking necessary information beforehand. There have been a few rituals where there were gods or spirits called upon that made me extremely uncomfortable, and if I had been properly informed beforehand I would not have joined in. There are also certain ways of performing ritual that I find to be disrespectful or just don't want to participate in, and, again, proper information on how rituals were operated was not provided. The 'secrecy' that some groups have needs to go to the sideline when they're putting on a public ritual.
- They are too long. I went to a ritual that went on for two hours, and one of those hours was the 'clergy' ranting about how all the other groups suck and why don't people come to his group more. It was disgusting. Other rituals I've gone to are more performance pieces...which is fine, but they should be called what they are. These rituals rarely raise any energy or emotion or call anything up. Instead, they're just slow, dragging events. I could, and have, done better at home, meaning they posed no reason for me to continue attending.
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Post by saintfelicity on Jan 30, 2015 6:37:53 GMT -6
I've never been to one and would probably be hesitant about going to one, but I feel like there's a difference between randomly meshing and having a well-planned interfaith service. I think the concept of an interfaith service is excellent in terms of education and learning where other people are coming from, but it would need to be organized by mature people who are willing to put the work in to make everything come together.
I went to a Greek Orthodox wedding over the weekend, where about 50% of the guests (obviously including myself) weren't Greek Orthodox. The priest helped the bride (Greek Orthodox) and the groom (my cousin, a Catholic) put together a little booklet for all of the attendees that had a short blurb about each part of the ceremony, with what was going on and what the religious significance and symbolism was. I loved it! While obviously the service was only one religion, I think this would be the sort of effort a really successful interfaith service would need.
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Post by Allec on Jan 30, 2015 9:03:33 GMT -6
Yeah, there is a difference between an Interfaith Ritual or Interfaith Service and a ritual that is open to people of differing faiths. I think the latter is what most Pagan events end up being.
I'll make a separate thread with the ideas someone and I meshed out on how an Interfaith Ritual may look.
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Post by Searlait on Nov 16, 2015 20:34:34 GMT -6
The metaphysical store in the town I used to live in sometimes holds open rituals. They were always fun, and I enjoyed meeting other people with similar faiths, but I couldn't necessarily get into them spiritually. I liked that they were different every time because a different person ran them each time. But they were good when I was questioning which path I wanted to follow. I remember one wiccannate ritual where the leader didn't want to do the cakes and ales section because it was too similar to Eucharist, which I found intriguing.
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