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Post by Allec on Jan 30, 2015 9:12:56 GMT -6
This is still a work in progress. If anyone has suggestions on how to better it, please join the discussion! General Outline:Invite entities
Offering to ourselves and invited entities
- State purpose of ritual
- Tell the stories of festivals and holidays that happen this time of year
- Guided Visualizations
- Group Activity
- Meditation
- Thank the entities for coming
As per the discussion on this thread, I think having a pamphlet with the outline of the ritual given out before hand would be helpful. I also think that the entities who are invited should be listed and only invited because the leaders of the ritual are familiar with them (eg: I, as a Gaelic Polytheist, probably won't invite Osiris because I don't interact with him nor know him well at all.) Thoughts?
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Post by Allec on Jan 30, 2015 9:14:18 GMT -6
I already have a thought LOL
I am wondering if nixing the idea of inviting deities at all would be wise. I always imagine the ritual itself to be more about connecting with oneself than connecting to the gods--since it's an interfaith ritual and if, say, Osiris was invited I wouldn't feel the need to connect to him. So maybe just making it a spiritual experience without any entities or deities?
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Post by elvenwitch on Jan 30, 2015 9:47:50 GMT -6
I already have a thought LOL I am wondering if nixing the idea of inviting deities at all would be wise. I always imagine the ritual itself to be more about connecting with oneself than connecting to the gods--since it's an interfaith ritual and if, say, Osiris was invited I wouldn't feel the need to connect to him. So maybe just making it a spiritual experience without any entities or deities? That's kind of how my group does it. Even when we have an altar where all of our deities are represented, the ritual itself is usually more along the lines of "here's why we're all here today, so let's connect and celebrate and raise some energy."
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Post by Allec on Jan 30, 2015 10:34:45 GMT -6
Yeah, that makes more sense when I think about it.
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Post by cass on Jan 30, 2015 14:05:13 GMT -6
i'm glad you brought up the idea of not inviting deities because all the times i've been involved with things like this and deities have been invited, it felt really weird? and alienating if no gaelic deities were invited by the leaders. though tbh, as i don't think the leaders ever really had connections to gaelic polytheism, when someone was invited (usually the morrigan during samhain festivals :\) it could be really uncomfortable. the things you put up with for a sense of community...
so yeah, i really like the idea about it being more about personal spirituality and community bonding than any kind of connection with deities. maybe if the ritual is during a time that's especially important to a deity that someone in the group has a relationship with, it could be a good opportunity for sharing your experiences with that deity with others and maybe some education if the person is feeling up to it? but i don't really see why anything beyond that would be necessary
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Post by Allec on Jan 30, 2015 14:25:51 GMT -6
I was thinking about how a deity I don't feel comfortable around was invited--unannounced--at a ritual I attended. It was really alarming and unwelcoming, and even upsetting as the deity in question was being used to further a point and wasn't treated respectfully (in my opinion of the ceremony.) SO being part of that was really nerve-wrenching.
Yeah, maybe education on a deity if the ritual is going to take place around a holiday about them or something, but not necessarily inviting or "invoking" (hate that phrasing) said deity.
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Post by saintfelicity on Jan 31, 2015 6:45:48 GMT -6
Yeah, I think that's great. I think the idea, like Cass said, of it being more about personal spirituality and community bonding is really important. I also really dislike the phrasing of "invoking" a deity and can often be uncomfortable around deities perceived as men (Christian baggage leftovers & PTSD, yum), so there's also that.
Also, as far as even the structure, I personally never really do anything that you might consider "raising energy" per se. So I like the idea that it would be more focused on learning!
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Post by Caelesti on Mar 25, 2015 19:06:54 GMT -6
I have thought about doing Irish/Scottish seasonal celebrations that were simply cultural rather than religious. It also could be a nice way to practice Irish with my fellow students. I am thinking of at least doing a talk or something about Lunasa traditions at the MN Irish Fair which is in August.
I do go to broader Pagan rituals, mostly for community but also I do enjoy them- similar deal with U.U. services, it's more about celebration & community than devotion to deity. (I have my doubts that the vague Alcoholics Anonymous-type being that they mention in prayers is the same being as YHWH)
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Post by Allec on Mar 25, 2015 23:39:04 GMT -6
That sounds awesome Caelesti I have been thinking about this thread recently and how important it is to do community work over devotional deity work in larger groups, which makes sense when most attendees may have different beliefs.
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Post by leithincluan on Mar 27, 2015 3:40:39 GMT -6
That sounds awesome Caelesti I have been thinking about this thread recently and how important it is to do community work over devotional deity work in larger groups, which makes sense when most attendees may have different beliefs. That's how my OBOD druid grove does things. We have a few deities in common, particularly one who is a kind of patron of the grove. And we honour relevant deities at seasonal celebrations, such as telling stories of Lugh and Tailtu at Lunasa. But most of what we do together is about connecting to the land where we're holding our rituals, and to each other. Very community-focused.
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Post by ryeduck on Mar 27, 2015 8:37:18 GMT -6
So, two thoughts on this subject I had.
Cultural education and community building seems to be the best way to go about doing an interfaith ritual. Calling deities from different pantheons will quite often be problematic. Perhaps you could start the ritual by allowing each person to say a quick prayer simply giving thanks to their gods as a whole. That way everyone's gods are represented and acknowledged without bring their energies down. Thoughts?
If I'm not mistaken, most of our traditions have a lot of reverence for nature. I think that at some point during the ritual/festivities/gathering/whatever perhaps the group should do something as an act of service to the land that you're on. Clean up trash, spread some grass seed, everyone plant a flower that is beneficial to the local ecosystem, or something else. *shrug* I don't really know, these are just some thoughts I'm having.
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Post by Allec on Mar 27, 2015 20:53:12 GMT -6
I like those thoughts Rye! I like the idea of "silent prayer" during the ritual where people can--if they want--pray to specific deity/deities/entities.
I don't know if doing something for nature would work in a ritual context, but definitely in a group context and community-building by all going to a park and cleaning up the trash. Or volunteering somewhere to help people.
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Post by Allec on Feb 18, 2016 7:22:58 GMT -6
Reviving this thread because I'm having thinky-thoughts.
I'm wondering how a ritual can involve worshiping in conjunction with education. In other words, I don't want a polytheistic interfaith ritual to be secular. But I don't know how to exactly do that?
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Post by Allec on Feb 18, 2016 8:29:17 GMT -6
OOO someone I was talking to had the idea of letting people do praises to deities during a ritual. Not necessarily inviting them or doing anything of that nature, but doing a sort of mini-worship of that deity while everyone else learns about the deity in question. If that makes sense?
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Post by Des on Feb 18, 2016 12:53:29 GMT -6
OOO someone I was talking to had the idea of letting people do praises to deities during a ritual. Not necessarily inviting them or doing anything of that nature, but doing a sort of mini-worship of that deity while everyone else learns about the deity in question. If that makes sense? How exactly would that work in practice? It sounds like a wonderful idea in theory, but I could see how what it looks like in practice might make people kinda uncomfy?
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