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Post by Allec on Mar 16, 2015 23:47:48 GMT -6
Honor is an important Gaelic value, but is it to you? How do you define Honor?
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Post by adolphuscrowfeather on Mar 17, 2015 8:51:31 GMT -6
Honor is an important Gaelic value, but is it to you? How do you define Honor? I define it as being.... Truthful. Not Picking or Hurting Others Clearly Weaker than You (Example, Like Don't fight people with bows with tanks(brutal but simple example). Help those that depend on others/can't help themself. Respecting Just Laws Fighting Draconian Laws/Opression/Inequality Not being uber selfish. Aiding the Community |
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Post by aondeug on Mar 17, 2015 10:28:48 GMT -6
For me honor is a complicated mix of things, both in terms of actions and mindset. You can do seemingly honorable things and fail to be so if you're intent is thoroughly awful. Intent and action together make the moral core of your behavior on some sort of personal level. Though it can also be that with people too!
But yes for things that it actually involves. Honesty. Honesty is incredibly important. This includes things like not lying and also sharing harsh truths. It does not mean be a huge fucking dick with no social filter though. Helpfulness, caring, and hospitality factor in very heavily too. If you're the sort of person who can't make sure your guests have a cup of tea at the very least, or the sort who ignores people who dropped shit then there's a problem somewhere. At least I think so. You don't need to be a "nice" person necessarily. But you do need to be a kind one.
On that note I need to say a thing about niceness versus kindness since that is kind of important to how I view it. I'm never really sure how to word this in a way it makes sense. Anyway. To be kind doesn't mean to be nice. It can involve being nice, but not necessarily. Let's say you have a friend who is about to be going to be late for class because he is playing a stupid game. You know this and you know that him finding out about this will make him sad because of whatever reason. To be nice would be to say nothing at all. To be kind would be to tell him even though you know he'll be upset about knowing that he almost made himself late. This is a very stupid example but the concept stretches very far. Mercy and kindness are hard. They aren't nice and sometimes they are downright cruel. Because sometimes they have to be.
There's of course keeping to promises, vows, and oaths. Which should go without saying I guess but it is also important enough that it warrants its own thing. Also if you talk big then by god you better be able to walk it too. Brag and boast. But be able to actually prove it, or go beyond what claims you've made.
And be proud. Being proud is hard for me but I do try. Take pride in your achievements. Know that you have a skill, at least one, and take pride in that skill. Nurture it. Show it off. Know that it makes you awesome. And don't let people walk all over you or tell you that you suck.
Or other people. You need to have a backbone and fight. When people are being jerks or things are going bad get up and do something about it. Even if you're scared. Get angry if you need to but just fucking do something.
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Post by wickedlittlecritta on Mar 17, 2015 19:25:21 GMT -6
I have a hard time taking the word honor seriously anymore because I watched too much Avatar  Ahem. But anyway. For me honor's a sort of personal integrity, about behaving in a way that makes you proud of yourself. Exactly what that entails is different for everyone, and probably changes a lot as you grow and develop, but honesty and reliability/responsibility are two key parts for me. I could probably expand on this but I just hear that fake Zuko voice going "Honoorrrrrrr" in my head whoops. |
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Post by adolphuscrowfeather on Mar 17, 2015 20:19:40 GMT -6
For me honor is a complicated mix of things, both in terms of actions and mindset. You can do seemingly honorable things and fail to be so if you're intent is thoroughly awful. Intent and action together make the moral core of your behavior on some sort of personal level. Though it can also be that with people too! But yes for things that it actually involves. Honesty. Honesty is incredibly important. This includes things like not lying and also sharing harsh truths. It does not mean be a huge fucking dick with no social filter though. Helpfulness, caring, and hospitality factor in very heavily too. If you're the sort of person who can't make sure your guests have a cup of tea at the very least, or the sort who ignores people who dropped shit then there's a problem somewhere. At least I think so. You don't need to be a "nice" person necessarily. But you do need to be a kind one. On that note I need to say a thing about niceness versus kindness since that is kind of important to how I view it. I'm never really sure how to word this in a way it makes sense. Anyway. To be kind doesn't mean to be nice. It can involve being nice, but not necessarily. Let's say you have a friend who is about to be going to be late for class because he is playing a stupid game. You know this and you know that him finding out about this will make him sad because of whatever reason. To be nice would be to say nothing at all. To be kind would be to tell him even though you know he'll be upset about knowing that he almost made himself late. This is a very stupid example but the concept stretches very far. Mercy and kindness are hard. They aren't nice and sometimes they are downright cruel. Because sometimes they have to be. There's of course keeping to promises, vows, and oaths. Which should go without saying I guess but it is also important enough that it warrants its own thing. Also if you talk big then by god you better be able to walk it too. Brag and boast. But be able to actually prove it, or go beyond what claims you've made. And be proud. Being proud is hard for me but I do try. Take pride in your achievements. Know that you have a skill, at least one, and take pride in that skill. Nurture it. Show it off. Know that it makes you awesome. And don't let people walk all over you or tell you that you suck. Or other people. You need to have a backbone and fight. When people are being jerks or things are going bad get up and do something about it. Even if you're scared. Get angry if you need to but just fucking do something. Totally agree |
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Post by saintfelicity on Mar 18, 2015 6:37:33 GMT -6
Especially after the... debacle, honor and learning to develop it has been really forefront for me. Mostly along the lines of what aondeug & critta said, it's about honesty and everything that encompasses - kindness and honesty even if it's going to make someone unhappy, keeping your promises, and personal integrity and not presenting yourself as lesser than you are. I think hospitality ties in with honor on some levels, too.  |
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Post by Allec on Mar 18, 2015 13:22:16 GMT -6
(I love all these gifs!)
This is 'bout what I was thinking when it came to honor, too. Especially integrity, honesty, and hospitality.
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Post by brimstonne on Apr 2, 2015 21:36:54 GMT -6
To me, honesty is its own virtue. For me to describe them, I temd to seperate the components so that its easoer for me to understand. So I view honor as keeping your word, taking the right path, even if its difficult, and protecting those who need it. I think how you uphold your honor is really important too. So I never make a promise I dont know 100% I can keep. For me, taking the right path can mean alot of things, and differs from person to person, my method of making sure I do is to avoid doing anything Id be afraid to tell my gods. I make it a point to think about what Im doing and whether it would make them proud of me, or ashamed of me. which goes in line with protecting those who need it. It could be physically defending someone I see getting bullied,or reminding those I love to stop beating themself up. It can mean giving someone a couch to sleep on, or helping someone pay rent when I can afford it. Ive always loved the comment 'honor is how you behave when no one you know is watching'. Its about doing something because its RIGHT, not for the glory/bragging rights of ' look what I did!!'
(Sorry if this doesnt make much sense I just got off a 16 hour shift and my brains not quite working right)
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Post by Searlait on May 23, 2015 13:53:33 GMT -6
Honor's kind of something I need to work on. A) because I'm not quite sure how to define it, so I tend to use imperfect synonyms like the old concepts of nobility and being a gentleman, and B) I guess I got it into my head in college that being a liar with no loyalties to anything was something to strive for. Even though I know that hurts people around me. I think reading everyone else's responses is going to be very useful.
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Post by saintfelicity on May 24, 2015 20:15:47 GMT -6
Ooh I need to come back to this. I did a bunch of writing about this while I was away last week, so, I'm writing this as a note to myself and PLEASE someone say something to me if I don't expand on it in the next couple days. I have the spoons but I don't have the memory. But basically I was doing a bunch of thinking about core values with regard to Irish history.
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Post by adolphuscrowfeather on May 31, 2015 9:49:18 GMT -6
Well, honour in a way has a lot we can talk of. I mean, take this example. Given, it was from my Latin/World History teacher, but ATM we were talking about Rome in Britain, and given its a little more Brythonic area and the Britons, but it still is apart of some Gaelic as well if I remember right, human sacrifice with the Druids. The Romans were appalled and etc, but I asked the teacher about if the people chosen for sacrifice considered it an honour, and she said yes. Given, it's not a second thought for us for us to not condone human sacrifice, but honour works in mysterious ways, so to speak. It encompasses many ideals in which we could talk about, and it changes per person per culture. I think once we find a good basis, in any culture if we wish to add posts there, and here at least Gaelic honour, and then talk of our own personal honour, we can have great discussions on the matter, and then also have a honour post for comparisons of them in different cultures.
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Post by Micheal on Jun 3, 2015 12:46:43 GMT -6
Honour is very important to me, and I pretty much define it the same as our ancestors. 'Enech' was literally your 'face,'and by modern definition it encompasses your good name, and reputation. It's highly linked with equal values of being generous and hospitable. Just like in the myths and early law, to loose your honour or have your honour-price taken pretty much reduced you to nothing. I not only link it with having a good name and withstanding in the community(which for me is a small town where a bad name is eternal shame  ) but like the warrior codes in the myths honour was the first value in our Marine Corps Values, and something we strongly link with our military in society today, so I also define it with courageous and selfless deeds&service. |
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) but like the warrior codes in the myths honour was the first value in our Marine Corps Values, and something we strongly link with our military in society today, so I also define it with courageous and selfless deeds&service.